The Muskrat Lake monster hunt…?

If time has been considerably shorter than previously thought, and according to Frederick B. Juneman1, “events that brought the Mesazoic (the age of the dinosaurs – IJ) to a close may be in the age and memory of man”, then the possibility that dinosaurs might still be alive on planet earth should be seriously looked at.

It may seem far fetched at first, but remember that only a few hundred years ago we have specific documentation of “dragons” in Europe2.

Dr. Javier Cabrera3 has a collection of burial stones retrieved from the Incan tombs of Peru showing creatures abiding with mankind which look very distinctly like dinosaurs. These stones date only 500 to 1500 years old.

A UPI report of October 1980 said “a mysterious, elephant sized animal with claws, a long neck, and tail seen in the swampy jungles of Western Africa may be a dinosaur, an expert on ‘hidden animals’ said Tuesday.”

Roy Mackal was mentioned as having led an expedition in response to previous similar reports of mysterious creatures in the Congos:
“Roy Mackal of the University of Chicago claimed that the inhabitants of a remote section of the Congo refer to the 15 to 30 foot long creature as ‘Mokele Mbembe’, and he suggested it might be either a dinosaur or a large monitor lizard. He had spent some time with James Powell in the region, searching for conclusive evidence.
“The natives described the creatures, including the statement that their three-clawed feet were as large as frying pans. Pictures of known animals such as the Buffalo and elephant were shown to them without attracting much interest, but ‘when they saw a picture of the brontosaurus, or any of the sauropods, they pointed at it and called it ‘Mokele Mbembe’.
“The response of the natives was consistent and ‘cut across ethnic, geographical, cultural, and educational lines.'”

In the same report, it quoted “Science 80 magazine, published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science said… that the creatures reportedly feed on the nut-like fruit of the river bank plant and keep to deep pools and submerged caves in the area.” 1959: “Pygmies allegedly killed one that was disturbing their fishing on Lake Tele.”

Still yet another report in 1981 was published by science writer Robert Locke, June 11 that said “The creature had been described by the natives as brownish-grey, with short, thick legs, weighing probably between 9 to 15 tons, and being about 35 feet from its small head to its tail. It was vegetarian, and though it had killed fishermen it had not eaten them.
“It would at times emerge from the water in the early morning and the late evenings to feed on Riverside vegetation; for the rest of the time it stayed in the water, much like the hippopotomus.”

A three month search was being organized by consultant engineer Herman Regusters (Jet Propulsion Labs, NASA) together with Biologist Roy P. Mackal (U of Chicago) and Botonist Richard Greenwell of the U of Arizona.
A later report by Dick Donovan documented TWO independent scientific expeditions offering proof that dinosaurs still prowled the earth.
“Space scientist Herman Regusters astounded the world by announcing he saw a gigantic dinosaur when his expedition probed the jungles of Africa.”4

He also tells of the second expedition, sponsored in part by the National Geographic Society;
“And respected University Professor Roy Mackal says his expedition found the fresh footprints of a dinosaur that weighed in at 30 tons”…”I was the tracks with my own eyes!”, Dr. Mackal said. “I am more convinced than ever that the giant reptiles still exist.”

Regusters expedition reported sighting a creature that raised its head up out of the water and travelled for a quarter of a mile then dove beneath the surface. They sighted it again four hours later.

Dr. Carl Baugh, Creation Evidences Museum, Glen Rose, Texas led an expedition to New Guinea in response to reports of flying Pterodoctyls. They searched themselves and although had no personal encounters, documented interviews with the locals, including teachers, heads of clan, etc., which claim to have seen or had encounters with these strange flying creatures which describe remarkably like Ramphorhynchus Pterydoctyl and apparently glow in the dark on their underside, much like the firefly.5

Reader Digest magazine documented over 250 lakes in the United States and Canada which have supposed “monsters” in them. What if these were actual encounters with dinosaurs still alive in Canadian and American waters? Really the only reason people are skeptical of that possibility is that we have been led to believe that dinosaurs have been extinct for 60 million years or so, yet as shown elswhere on these web pages, there is absolutely no reason to believe this.

Cobden, Ontario, is located on the shores of the Muskrat Lake. This lake is one of many in North America which people have claimed to have seen a strange, unidentifiable creature in. The descriptions could resemble that of a Mosasaur, a marine based dinosaur of which a few skeletons have been found.
In an attempt to determine if there is something alive in Muskrat Lake, possibly even capturing or photographing one, I have undertaken to search the Lake and am currently looking for volunteers to participate. The search is broken up into several stages:
Stage 1: A scan of the lake is done with numerous boats armed with fish finders. We will start at one end of the lake and forming a line across the lake will drive to the far end of the lake, noting any unusual “hits” on the fish finder with a camera and personal notes on depth, location, time, etc…
We will turn around and complete the pass back to the start, performing the same scan of the lake.
Stage 2: Depending on how the scan turns out, a second or even third scan may be performed to see if there are any hits or a pattern of hits emerging.
Stage 3: Determined by the scans, if we have several successful hits on sonar, we will attempt to locate the creature or at least determine its patterns. From here on in there are several options, all or one of which may be attempted:
-further complete lake or specific location scans
-sound capture and sampling
-diving robot with video cameras
-underwater cameras “flown” behind a boat
-a cage live trap
-sonar triggered photograph traps
-possible tagging with radio transmitters
-scuba dive investigating (anybody feel brave?)
-mini submarine dives?

The difficulty lies in the lack of visibility in the Lake. I had done a few dives with a submarine robot and several swimming dives with a mask. In spring time when the water is cold and visibility is best I’d estimate we’d have a visibility of a maximum of 20 feet. In the fall with the algae in the water it’s probably more like around 5 foot visibility. Fortunately, sonar can see through pretty much all of the muck so we can get some pretty good scans with that technique. The problems with baiting and live capture run from not having the foggiest clue what this thing would eat, should it turn out to exist, and the possibility that it breathes air – or water. If it breathes air, trapping it in the water could hold it underwater for too long. If it breathes water, even a few moments out of the water could kill it. We would have no idea until we caught one.
It has been suggested by “Mussie” (the pet name locals have for the Muskrat Lake monster) buffs that the creature doesn’t like boat motors and shies away from them. This would encourage the use of “flying” underwater video cameras and diving robots as they don’t need a motor boat, or at least a quieter electric one. Sonar triggered photo traps would also work well, as they produce no noise – only a flash of light when triggered.

Interested? Learn more or let me know you want to volunteer here!
References:

1: Frederick B. Juneman, Vol 24, 1982, Industrial Research & Development

2: Ulysses Aldrovandus, THE NATURAL HISTORY OF SERPENTS AND DRAGONS
Helen L. Hoke, DRAGONS, DRAGONS, DRAGONS
Konrad Gesner, HISTORIAE ANIMALIUM

3: Dr. Javier Cabrera, previously professor of medicine, University of Lima, Currently cultural Anthropologist for ICA, Peru. Dr. Cabrera has collected over 1100 of these burial stones.

4: Frank C. Hibbern, “The Lost Americans” pp 90-92

5: Personal communication, Dr. Carl Baugh & M.E. Clark, Professor emeritus, University of Illinois. Also cited in “Creation in Symphony” video produced by the Creation Evidences Museum.

The Sauropods and the Incans

In 1991, Scandinavian excavations of several Sauropods revealed a surprise: The Sauropods (all of them?) seemed to have beautiful rossette patterns in their skins and had vertebral fins. An example of these rosette patterns appears on this section of fossilized dinosaur skin from an Ankylosaur:

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These rossette patterns have only been discovered recently. This particular fossil specimen is actually fossilized dinosaur skin, not an imprint. (See the high resolution photos for details on this)

The Nasca Incans (Tiawharaka tribes) often portrayed a story of a persons life carved on burial stones which they placed in the tomb of the dead person. Hundreds of these have now been found, many of which depict what sure appear to be dinosaurs. Some of them tamed, some of them definitely not.

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This burial stone shows a man riding upon what appears to be a Saurapod, complete with rossette patterns depicted that we only discovered recently. It shows the man feeding the dinosaur while he rides it. Difficult to see in this photo, the neck of the creature wraps around the bottom to left hand side of the stone, it’s head and eye located at about 10 o’clock. The man’s hand, with grass or some straw in it, is top dead center with his head located at about 1 o’clock.

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This particular stone shows a man riding upon an unmistakable Tricerotops. The only explanation for such clear depictions of dinosaurs is that the dinosaurs were contemporaneous with this culture.

According to evolution theory, man did not show up on earth until 600 million years or more after the dinosaurs became extinct. Fossil dinosaurs were not even discovered until the mid 1800’s. Yet these burial stones were carved by a culture that only existed from about 400 B.C. to 1400 A.D. It is possible these stones might have been carved as recently as 600 years ago depicting dinosaurs these people apparently saw and tamed as pets or beasts of burden.

May 1999, Let me get personal…

ian1I was appalled at these responses for two reasons: This is NOT the response or attitude I was trying to nurture, and these were my friends these people were referring to.

I have many friends I am privileged and honoured to call my friends, people who have had a profound and positive influence on my life, who are of strong atheistic and evolutionistic persuasion. These people have my love and highest respect and are anything but stupid in my eyes. Being the intellectual type myself, I understand them and it is actually because of their intellectuality that they believe what they believe. It is natural for the human mind (especially the intellectual mind) to shun the supernatural.

Francis Bacon, a once eminent scientist, once said “People prefer to believe what they prefer to be true.”
This applies to:

Sports (You aint never gonna convince me the Leafs AREN’T the best team in the NHL!!!)
Religion
Politics
and yes, even SCIENCE

Although the scientific evidences are mostly what I focus on, you will find out quickly that science has nothing to do with it!
I have watched in awe as evolutionists and creationists have looked at the same evidence and drawn completely opposite conclusions – both of which seem viable! I have watched people take scientific fact and twist it around to back up what they wish to believe. I have seen people do that with the bible. I have seen people twist reality to suit their needs. I have seen myself do these things. (How do you think I learned all of this? 😉

So what you will need to do as we discuss this and other subjects is to embrace a brutal honesty with yourself. Start by asking yourself “What do I want to believe?”, “What do I want reality to be?” – and be honest, the only person you’re lying to is yourself. You may even need to start asking yourself “What DO I believe? WHY do I believe it?”

If I examine myself, I discover that I would prefer in many ways not to believe the things I believe, they frighten me. I would prefer not to believe in a place called hell. I have read the bible extensively, I know what the bible says about that place. I would prefer it didn’t exist, let alone people going there. I quite like the idea that when you’re dead, you’re dead! Sure I like the idea of heaven, but rebellion has happened in heaven once already, who’s to say it won’t happen again – and where would I be in all of that?

Jesus stated quite bluntly you must be born again to enter heaven (Book of John, chapter 3, the Holy Bible) You don’t have to believe this. In fact, it is you irrevocable right to believe whadeva ya wanna believe. But are you willing to pay the price if you are wrong?

The bottom line is that there are many reasons I would prefer to believe evolution than creation, yet I firmly believe creation and the bible as an accurate testament. So I will say to you what I have said to many that I have presented the creation model to :

“You are risking your life being alive. Count the cost of your beliefs, as all beliefs have a price. Count the cost if you are right, and the cost if you are wrong.”

I am not asking you to believe what I believe, I am merely presenting what I believe and why I believe it. I am not out to be an “evolutionist basher”, though I will be blunt about the scientific and philosophical facts, and I even poke fun at evolution once in a while. However, I find it distasteful the way I have seen both evolutionists and creationists attack each other, lifting up themselves and putting down the other, rather than spending their energies and time on good, scientific critique.

Well, ’nuff said….

Humanizing apes: Genesis Week episode 35, season 2

Humanizing apes: Genesis Week episode 35, season 2


Full transcript:

 

Okay, I know, you’re sick of hearing about it, but we got more dramatic dinosaur soft tissues, and we interview a special guest regarding fossil human footprints. Join us – this is Genesis Week!

Welcome! To this episode of Genesis Week, the weekly program of creationary commentary on news, views and events pertaining to the origins controversy, made possible by the supporters of CORE Ottawa, Citizens for Origins Research and Education, and of course, carried on the Christianima network – christianima.com – Christian cinema at its finest. Excellence in pirate broadcasting, we continue to bring you the information the anticreationists don’t want you to see or hear, and giving glory to our Creator while doing it. We here at Genesis Week believe your brain was intelligently designed, and God wants you to use it. Remember if you get lost in cyberspace, you can just punch in wazooloo.com or genesisweek.com and you can find us, and also subscribe to our youtube channel to get extras like CrEvo rants and full interviews with our guests. I’m your host, Ian Juby

Ohhh, you know I don’t want to bore you guys by continually flogging fossil equines (for those of you non-sciencey types or if you don’t know latin names enough, that means beating a dead horse), but this is just too rich! We’ve reported on many, many stories of preserved soft tissues from dinosaurs, along with blood cells, bone cells, and probable Dinosaur DNA. In June of 2012 at the Pipestone Creek Dinosaur Initiative not far out of Grande Prairie, Alberta, a fossil hadrosaur dinosaur was found….with actual intact SKIN. (more…)